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| Third Fleet all hands meeting, NAS Miramar, Map Room, June 10, 2017. |
This is a transcript edited for publication of the Third Fleet All Hands Meeting that took place at NAS Miramar on June 10, 2017. What is recorded here was sent to all the participants for review prior to publication and all the participants agreed to an open public meeting with the purpose of creating a public record of this kind.
All the lines have a [2017/06/10 XX:YY] time stamp and the original record is available in world on demand. For publication purposes, those time stamps were excluded and replaced by each person's rank/rate or status and name. Where applicable, references to facts with public record will include a link to that record.
The first line in the preamble is marked [2017/06/10 14:10] by CDR. Christina Dehner.
The last line in the meeting is marked [2017/06/10 17:11] by CAPT. Asra Kron.
The meeting had a duration of three hours and one minute.
All the participants in the meeting agreed it was a matter of public record, waving Linden Labs TOS rights of privacy for that purpose. That includes LT. Chardy Oak whose permission was obtained in private IM as she arrived at the meeting after the permission was asked.
Update 2017/06/18:
The week following this meeting, CVN-65 lead designer Koma Held decided to remove the USS Enterprise from Third Fleet future service. This includes the removal of Naval Base Meddledown Bay, where it was being built, from Third Fleet's list of locations. To our knowledge CVN-65 is still under construction at Meddledown, but up to June 18, 2017, both the ship and the location were not assigned any future participation in any of the US Navy inspired fleets in Second Life. As far as Third Fleet is concerned, as of this date (2017/06/18) we no longer keep records of both ship or location associated with Second Life US Navy inspired groups. For more information about CVN-65 or Meddledown, please contact Ms. Koma Held.
Preamble:
[2017/06/10 14:10]
CDR.Christina Dehner:
Id like to declare from the off that whilst I am still in 3rd Fleet and NAS Miramar groups, my primary billet is Commanding Officer of NSTC which as you know is now in 2nd Fleet. Just stating for the record. However I am here because I am a supporter of the afore mentioned groups.
CAPT. Vickster Kühn:
Yes, Commander.
CAPT. Asra Kron:
Yes, understood and noted. And I would like to include that statement on the record going forward. Before we start with that however, I would like you all to allow me to make this a public record - AFTER you all got the minute of this meeting and review it for any imprecision. This means this is an open meeting not a closed doors session. Do you all agree?
CDR. Connie Mistwalker:
Consented.
CDR.Christina Dehner:
Aye.
LCDR. Jenny Kaz:
Yes.
LCDR. An Rainbow:
Yes.
PO3 Dave Kirk:
Aye.
CVN-65 Lead Designer Koma Held:
Yes.
Blue Angels Prospect Jayson Zorric:
Aye.
CAPT. Vickster Kühn:
Aye.
CAPT. Asra Kron:
I of course agree as well. Before I open the meeting I would like to acknowledge a few people in the room. Commanders Mistwalker and Dehner. CDR. Dehner already stated her status and it shall be mentioned in the record. CDR. Mistwalker is a senior instructor at NSTC. Connie please state for the record your present status and any remarks you may want to add as Christina did.
[see footnotes for LT. Chardy Oak's permission*]
CVN-65 Lead Designer Koma Held:
I am not receiving chat.
CAPT. Asra Kron:
She's typing I think. CDR. Mistwalker?
CDR.Christina Dehner:
She must be AFK, Captain. I have IM'ed her with no response.
CAPT. Asra Kron:
Well she will correct me if I am wrong but in a nutshell she has similar reasons to those CDR Dehner presented to be here.
CDR.Christina Dehner:
Yes, I would say so.
CAPT. Asra Kron:
The other two people I would like to recognize are Jayson and Koma. CAPT Kuhn already mentioned Jayson [editor's note: as he arrived at the meeting site, CAPT. Kuhn described Jayson Zorric's status as follows: "Jayson is a Blue Angels "intern", he's not gone to OCS yet, he intends to become a naval aviator and fly with the team as well as other things, that's why he's here."] As for Koma, like Jayson she is about to enlist and go through OCS but there is another thing you should know. Koma is at the moment building the USS Enterprise at Meddledown Bay. She has announced her intention to have the Big E join Third Fleet. More about this later.
LCDR. An Rainbow:
(( Incoming Chardy ))
Third Fleet All Hands Meeting:
CAPT. Asra Kron:
So let us begin. You are all more or less aware of the reason for this exceptional meeting. After RADM. Harcassle decided to leave Third Fleet and found 2nd Fleet taking his locations along (NBNV, NSTC, USS Carl Vinson and Fort Nautilus navy town) plus one other (NRS Oryx), we are now left with decisions to make on how to move forward. I will not get immersed in the reasons for all this mess, lets just say that after NRS Oryx expanded and started to run rogue in many respects against Fleet policy my relations with RADM. Harcassle deteriorated to the point where he blames me for every drama that happened between Oryx creation and now plus climate change. Though joking this is not far from the truth.
According to RADM. Harcassle I was such a problem to Third Fleet that the minute he moved away from it a lot of people "came back". That is what the situation is. Those in this room know me and can judge for themselves. I am not here to start a discussion about RADM. Harcassle. He has his reasons. I am just stating my position and thoughts.
No matter the reasons and why he parted ways the fact is he supported, approved and implemented most of my suggestions, close to 100% of them discussed in open forums or with several of you before and while they were in study stages. This went on for over a year.
So bottom line is the Navy that RADM. Harcassle does not like and caused him to break ranks is the one we created on his watch, with his blessing.
So whatever I was doing operationally and in character to me - and given the way this all happened I believe to him as well - are not the reason. So I am left thinking all this is just out of character BS that had an unfortunate ending. Having said that, we are left with a situation to deal with that I never sought. I never wanted command of Third Fleet much less to leave USNSL and even though RADM. Harcassle stated that his problems were limited to the Fleet Group, and by creating a new Fleet resolved those problems as far as he was concerned, the fact is he also ejected me from the USNSL mother group. This poses a serious problem in terms of relations between all Navy fleets and the Marine Corps.
I was hoping Third Fleet would remain in USNSL where it belongs. After all we have two locations that are part of it - NASM and NAFEN - who have a lot more officers than just Asra Kron and to me they all deserve respect and a chance to serve - this is the navy I was proud of, but when you treat an OOC mother group such as USNSL, which is meant to aggregate all navy groups deemed suitable and worthy, like some night club group where you pick and choose who stays and goes, that to me is no longer a Navy group. It's just another friends group. So I have a problem. How much of that problem is shared as I see it by the presents you will tell. I see two ways of moving forward - if you see others please say so next.
One is for me to step down and you all to integrate 2nd Fleet without carrying my burden. The other is to leave USNSL and carry on with Third Fleet as a Navy group with one on one relations with others such as 7th Fleet and the SLMC and any that will recognize our command structure, including 2nd Fleet if they are willing to do so.
I have had serious - and I mean SERIOUS - disagreements with Colonel Jade Kangas, but I never for a minute, not for a second wished she was ejected from USNSL. That group to me was sacred. It was what bound us all together in the Navy.
CDR.Christina Dehner:
Agreed.
CAPT. Asra Kron:
Of course it is also Izzy Harcassle's group, and by his actions he has determined that he sees no difference between OOC and IC. For problems in one of USNSL groups that were resolved he ejected me from a group where there were no problems at all.
PO3 Dave Kirk:
Raises hand.
CAPT. Asra Kron:
So that is my stance. I saw that Petty Officer Kirk, but before I open the floor I would like to give the word to CAPT. Kuhn so she can state her status - there was no note sent to USNSL about NAFEN's status but she assured me NAFEN stays with Third Fleet. CAPT. Kuhn you have the floor.
CAPT. Vickster Kühn:
Alright. Of course we're in a tough spot right now. Oh, and I am CAPT. Kühn, NAFENCO, Third Fleet, for the record. One thing I have that I really want to accomplish is to keep 3rd fleet in USNSL, as Captain Kron mentioned its a priority for her as well. However, having the CO put out of USNSL really is like putting the whole fleet, such as it is, out. I spoke to RADM. Harcassle on this and it is confirmed we can still have people go to OCS and get third fleet, for now. One thing I don't want to do is try to recreate NSTC, that could take years.
CDR.Christina Dehner:
I have that on the record from RADM. Harcassle.
CAPT. Vickster Kühn:
So I think staying with USNSL is really the key to our survival if we hope to populate it with enough sailors and officers to operate as a fleet, so going forward the problem is Captain Kron is put out of USNSL. That taints the whole [Third*] Fleet group. Obviously being trained by 2nd fleet people who hate the future commanding officer of a candidate or recruit is problematic at best, and I know NSTC isn't like that but there are many instructors. So at some point this must be rectified, but i feel like we should not push it that hard.
I also think that two choices is no choice at all. We all know and are good friends with the majority of people in 2nd fleet so this current situation is really bad. It will have a major impact on all our programs, and all of 2nd Fleet's as well, whether they realize that yet or not. I don't intend to criticize RADM. Harcassle, and there is no but to that sentence, what's done is done I have to accept it, but I feel duty bound to keep working on 3rd Fleet since that's where all my assignments are.
Anyway this is the worse case scenario right now, and i think how we handle things now is going to prove or disprove us as credible Navy, so i don't think Asra's two choice option is going to work for me.
CAPT. Asra Kron:
Smiles.
Why I asked for more.
CAPT. Vickster Kühn:
Well, one option might be work on recruiting and get more people through OCS and RTC, at least while we can, and also continue to support NSTC as much as possible - it does say "Quarter Deck of the Navy" on the gate.
CDR.Christina Dehner:
With respect Captain, that's not an issue, the issue is how to address the problem of not having the CO of [Third*] Fleet in the main umbrella Group.
CAPT. Vickster Kühn:
I do understand and also recognize that as a problem. How intolerable is it is my question, because we've already suffered a lot to get here, and this is where we're at. I personally don't want to lose every friend i have in the Navy over this. If we can get them to recognize 3rd Fleet as still official USNSL, which i think we can, that keeps our foot in the door, doesn't it?
Okay I had my say, somebody else can have a turn.
CAPT. Asra Kron:
PO Kirk, you raised your hand.
PO3 Dave Kirk:
Pardon me, CAPT. Kuhn, but I don't think we should have to kiss 2nd Fleet's ass, pardon my french, to stay a part of USNSL.
CAPT. Vickster Kühn:
Well I don't either, in my mind we are and have always been USNSL, so its no question we would stay.
PO3 Dave Kirk:
I would like it put on the record, that I motion that we quell the idea of CAPT. Kron stepping down and discontinue 3rd Fleet.
CAPT. Vickster Kühn:
I second that motion.
LCDR. Jenny Kaz:
Agreed.
CAPT. Asra Kron:
Well it was just a silly option anyway, but it would have saved everyone a lot of headaches.
CAPT. Vickster Kühn:
If I went to 2nd fleet they'd be having me in charge of the chow line or something - just kidding.
LCDR. An Rainbow:
Smiles.
PO3 Dave Kirk:
I don't know CAPT. Kron as long as most everyone here has, and we all have our differences, but in my opinion RADM. Harcassle and 2nd Fleet went about this whole thing the wrong way. To blame CAPT. Kron, and basically kick us to the curb without a say in the matter was not right.
LCDR. An Rainbow:
Agreed.
PO3 Dave Kirk:
One more thing. I would also like to note, being as I am the only enlisted person here left it seems, CAPT. Daniella Harcassle has seen fit not to include me in future classes with 2nd Fleet because of her disagreement with CAPT. Kron. If she will do that to me, who else will she do that to?
That is all I have to say except... HOOYAH 3rd Fleet! and HOOYAH for CAPT. Kron!
CAPT. Asra Kron:
Thank you PO Kirk. Who wants the floor?
LCDR. An Rainbow:
I would like the floor please.
CAPT. Asra Kron:
Go ahead LCDR Rainbow.
LCDR. An Rainbow:
I want to answer an important question ... First a bit of history. I joined Third Fleet 6 months after it was founded and I have been in 3rd fleet working with Captain Kron for a year now. During that time, Captain Kron has always listened to ideas from other people, talked to others to develop the ideas and implement them. Over time we have worked on what we think is a good method for 3rd fleet, a mix of practical work, Navy RP and teaching. I absolutely think this is a good way to go, so I firmly believe that Third fleet is viable and that is a very important question to answer.
Third fleet has been down to fewer active people than those in this room and through hard work of many people it was built back up again. We now have people who are committed to the Navy, more than before so I believe that Third Fleet must continue, it is based on a good solid foundation and we have excellent people to expand and grow. For that reason I do not think we should join 2nd fleet or break apart [from USNSL*]. What we have here is too precious and is important to many people. So no 2nd Fleet option, we will stand on our own,
That is all, thank you for letting me say my piece. Thank you, Captain.
CDR.Christina Dehner:
I'd like to say something if i may.
CAPT. Asra Kron:
Thank you An - question for you, please. Before CDR. Dehner.
LCDR. An Rainbow:
Yes, Ma'am?
CAPT. Asra Kron:
Do you believe we should stay commited to USNSL? For the record.
LCDR. An Rainbow:
I do Ma'am. I believe we should stay committed to USNSL.
CAPT. Asra Kron:
Thank you. CDR. Dehner has the floor.
CDR.Christina Dehner:
Thank you, Captain, I would like to be frank if i may. RADM. Harcassle has a personal issue with Captain Kron. Wether we like it or not the Umbrella group that binds all the fleets into one Navy is his group. To me, i think if you could go to him and ask for Asra to be back in the group, and as 3rd Fleet CO, but... You have a liaison officer to deal with 2nd Fleet on her behalf, and both parties agree to leave one another's Fleet operations well alone, that would be a good starting point on the road to recovery. Your relations with the other groups, 7th Fleet and SLMC would continue as before. NSTC is the only real thing you should have to have contact with in 2nd Fleet. Forget the other A-schools, to be honest, for the mean time anyways.
CAPT. Vickster Kühn:
Nods.
CDR.Christina Dehner:
I think recovery is paramount and it may take baby steps to do this. For the record, USNSL is what binds us all, and we must do what is necessary to achieve that. I think a meeting with RADM. Harcassle would be a start, probably taken by Vickster [Kuhn*] and An [Rainbow*]. Asra, you know I support you, but the plain fact is he does not want to deal with you directly right now.
CAPT. Asra Kron:
I know that, Chrissy.
Smiles.
CDR.Christina Dehner:
So maybe we have to look at working around that fact. Thats all i have Ma'am, thank you.
CAPT. Asra Kron:
Thank you. Who wants the floor, please?
CDR. Connie Mistwalker:
I will take the floor - but I doubt my words will mean or matter much.
CAPT. Asra Kron:
Your words matter, Commander.
CDR.Christina Dehner:
Of course they do, Connie.
CAPT. Asra Kron:
CDR Mistwalker has the floor.
CDR. Connie Mistwalker:
No, they don't and I will explain why I say this, if I may.
CAPT. Asra Kron:
Please do, Commander.
CDR. Connie Mistwalker:
Captains and Commanders and all present, some of you know me pretty well and others, well, hi - I'm Connie Mistwalker. Crazy Connie to many, but those are close to me. I'm here today because I'm on a crossed pair of swords so allow me to explain. I admire both RADM. Harcassle and Captain Kron in equal measure. I see their strengths and weaknesses at one time, I admire both of them, and yet here we are.
I don't see a resolution is at hand here because there is a very fundamental problem. That problem is there is now two distinct Navy groups in opposition to one another. When I joined this group just a little under a year ago - there was a common goal and purpose - a unified Navy. There is (was) 7th Fleet and 3rd Fleet and SLMC of course, and a smattering of Navy groups floating about (for lack of a better term). I supported this concept but they are not Navy - they are sisters and brothers in arms and joined by purpose and a common whole.
LT. Chardy Oak:
Raises hand.
CDR. Connie Mistwalker:
This is not the case here now that we face. I believe that the commonality of all of our purposes must be to remain unified. The mother group is USNSL - and that remains the province of its founder, RADM Harcassle, if I'm not mistaken, please correct me if I am wrong in this assumption.
CAPT. Asra Kron:
You are correct.
CDR. Connie Mistwalker:
OK - so then I think our goal must be to see how we can all remain together - to speak stupidly, united we stand and divided we fall. Am I not right?
CAPT. Vickster Kühn:
Nods.
CDR.Christina Dehner:
Agreed.
CAPT. Asra Kron:
Yes, of course.
CDR. Connie Mistwalker:
This is something I stressed in our meeting the other day wherein it all went to shit (pardon my language).
CAPT. Asra Kron:
Pardon granted, hehehe.
CAPT. Vickster Kühn:
hehe.
CDR. Connie Mistwalker:
And we are seeing this come to bear fruit now - without all of us together we cannot stand as one. 3rd Fleet group is now rendered a small group of few - strong and proud, yes, but still small. The fact remains that the RADM. commands the majority of people in our (albeit smallish) Navy.
CAPT. Asra Kron:
Not true. [Editor's note: RADM. Harcassle commands only 2nd Fleet as he did 3rd Fleet. USNSL has no operational in character command.]
CDR. Connie Mistwalker:
Having been in a group (heretofore it remains unnamed) I believe our goal must be to find a way to stay unified - thereby having strength in numbers and having all the advantages of everything we have together to offer power, education and unity - by that I mean specifically, the training commands of Miramar and NSTC - and all other training areas that may and will come up. I admit I'm not able to know how we can do this, BUT... if we cannot, then 3rd Fleet will fall by the wayside and that I believe is not in our best interests. I'm all for everyone. I feel kinship with all of us - and I mean that sincerely - 3rd Fleet - 2nd Fleet - 7th Fleet and SLMC and everyone.
So, I'm just rambling, but I believe we must address how we can achieve a cohesion in the various groups if we can succeed. I have nothing further to say and I'm sorry I have no actions to pursue, only my thoughts. I feel we have to mend the rift between the heads of the fleets, as it is, and I do not know how to do that. Thank you for listening. I'm humbled and honored by your being here. Thank you.
CAPT. Asra Kron:
Thank you, Commander. LT Oak you have the floor
PO3 Dave Kirk:
(( Please excuse me, but RL calls, I must leave. ))
CAPT. Asra Kron:
(( Take care, Dave. I will send you the minute of this meeting. ))
PO3 Dave Kirk:
(( Thank you! See you all soon! HOOYAH! ))
CAPT. Asra Kron:
Go on LT. Oak.
LT. Chardy Oak:
We all have things go through in our lives, we come to SL for relief, we support each other; we are here because we are exceptional, we are good people and we do what we know is best, we are are good and damn proud of what we can do. Mistakes... yeah, but we know we can perform at our best, we are good pilots , we have a good Captain and Boss, good teachers. I have spent the past year here to continue to be a good and humble person, away from RL, to fly and be with a good family.
We love what we do and we are good at it. We need to keep going. And beer time.
CAPT. Vickster Kühn:
hehe.
CAPT. Asra Kron:
Thank you, LT. Oak. Who wants the floor?
LCDR. Jenny Kaz:
I do.
CAPT. Asra Kron:
LCDR. Kaz has the floor.
LCDR. Jenny Kaz:
I just wanted to mention for the record that my airport, Southern Cross, is in a close position with NSTC and used by many from Navy for flight training and recreation flying as well as future training in sailing. I wish to state that it will continue to be a CIVILIAN airport open to any who wish to use it. Having said that and I know that no one in this room will ever be a problem, but if any [should happen*] and there has been a couple of cases in the past where members of the armed forces have created issues at Southern Cross, any found doing this will be immediately banned from Velinissimo sim which means they will have no access to the NSTC facility either. Mostly I just wanted to say that Southern Cross will continue being friendly to all. lol.
CAPT. Asra Kron:
hahaha!
Copy that QB. Anything else?
LCDR. An Rainbow:
Roger, QB.
LCDR. Jenny Kaz:
And no, nobody in this room has ever created an issue at Southern Cross.
CAPT. Asra Kron:
Nods.
Thank you, Lieutenant Commander. Anyone else wishes to add anything?
LCDR. An Rainbow:
Sort of, but its a bit controversial
CAPT. Asra Kron:
LCDR. Rainbow has the floor.
CDR. Connie Mistwalker:
Controversial might be something we need to hear.
LCDR. An Rainbow:
I just wanted to say that personally I have doubts about the long term viability of NRS Oryx.
CDR.Christina Dehner:
Ooo, that is a whole other debate!
LCDR. An Rainbow:
Simply because it has shortened its training, is bumping officers up very quickly. Once they have trained and got their certificates what do they have that they can do.
CAPT. Asra Kron:
I believe that is now a 2nd Fleet problem, LCDR. Rainbow.
LCDR. An Rainbow:
Another reason for keeping links with USNLS. So people have an option. I think having 2nd Fleet, 3rd and 7th gives recruits [and candidates*] more options. So its important for USNSL too. It will attract more recruits [and candidates*]. Second, I think Captain Kron is the driving force behind 3rd Fleet, and we cannot do without her. That is all.
LT. Chardy Oak:
Yeah.
LCDR. Jenny Kaz:
Agreed.
CDR. Connie Mistwalker:
Raises hand.
CAPT. Asra Kron:
Thank you, Lieutenant Commander. CDR. Mistwalker has the floor.
CDR. Connie Mistwalker:I just wanted to jump in on the Commander's comment about USNSL and this is what I was stating previously. We cannot survive being apart from USNSL. WE need to find a way to stay together and I believe RADM. Harcassle would agree. Being split up both in purpose and mentality is not serving the good of anyone. Thank you.
LCDR. Jenny Kaz:
Agreed.
CAPT. Vickster Kühn:
I agree.
LCDR. An Rainbow:
Nods.
CAPT. Asra Kron:
Thank you, Commander.
CDR. Connie Mistwalker:
Thank you, Ma'am.
CAPT. Asra Kron:
Very well before we proceed to the decision stage I have a few comments to make after listening to your thoughts.
CAPT. Kuhn stated that relations with not just 2nd Fleet but ALL groups in USNSL are compromised for many reasons while I am kept out of USNSL. As an example, my sources tell me that MCAS Chase Field is moving to Baitoushan. I wouldn't know that but for them.
LCDR. Jenny Kaz:
It has moved, Ma'am.
CAPT. Vickster Kühn:
Well, that notice came during our meeting.
CAPT. Asra Kron:
Bottom line is being kept in the dark will cause IMMENSE operational problems. As I have always seen it, there would be only one reason for ejecting people from the USNSL OOC group - and that is "griefing". Other than that you have all witnessed my actions in that group - what I have said in group chat and the group notices I have sent to USNSL. None of them justify an ejection. On the wake of what some of you said this is obviously a backlash OOC from RADM. Harcassle. Now, that bridge may be burnt but to me it still stands so, as some of you said, in time things may change and there are intermediate solutions. If we can work with 2nd Fleet as CAPT. Kuhn proposed or not - while I am outside USNSL - we will see. As some of you proposed there are a number of intermediate solutions. None of them are perfect, but then again nothing ever is.
LCDR. Rainbow stated, and well, that 3rd Fleet is viable. It is. A year and a half ago Miramar was all there was left of [operational*] USNSL. Myself and two officers. Behold [operational*] USNSL in January of 2016: 3 people. That was it.
LCDR. An Rainbow:
Nods.
Exactly.
CAPT. Asra Kron:
Then RADM. Harcassle came back, re-energized USNSL. A couple of months later the Third Fleet idea was born [as a separate operational group*] - I proposed it to him and under my advice [and the agreement of others*] USNSL became what it is today: a MOTHER group. Back in January 2016 it was THE ONLY group. Under my advice, RADM. Harcassle agreed to create an operational group SIMILAR to 7th Fleet. You can find evidence of this in our weblog, just browse through it [ see "All things considered"* ].
What I am saying is, the notion that USNSL is a NAVY group where we all are together independent of our operational groups was not only revived but actually implemented because one day I dreamed of it and RADM. Harcassle and others agreed to it. That is why I agree we should remain commited to USNSL.
CDR. Dehner mentioned baby steps, yes. As I stated I never wanted this, much less command of Third Fleet, and we will go back to that in a moment, but the fact is I will need to remove myself from participating actively in relations with 2nd Fleet - EVEN with NSTC only - for a while. What I cannot do is the same with 7th Fleet; we have a lot going on in common at the moment. I can also remediate that by going straight to the sheep and skipping the herd. We have worked too damn hard cooperating with 7th Fleet to throw that overboard. As I stated and many of you confirmed, USNSL is what binds us all.
CDR. Connie Mistwalker:
Nods.
CAPT. Asra Kron:
And just as I predicted having Third Fleet removed from USNSL [as an operational group inside a mother group*] only AMPLIFIED that role. It was a success. But we need to treat USNSL as a true mother group where the singular group problems do not belong.
LCDR. An Rainbow:
Nods.
CAPT. Asra Kron:
That is why no matter RADM Harcassle's motives to leave Third Fleet and unfriend me and not talk to me or whatever he wants to do related to me should never impact USNSL as it then - through me - impacts everyone in not only 3rd Fleet but also 7th Fleet and the SLMC. But, as you said, baby steps.
CDR. Mistwalker mentioned we [3rd Fleet*] can not survive without USNSL. 7th Fleet begs to differ. We can. The question is: do we want to? I, for one, do not. I firmly believe that having another fleet can be a great thing for USNSL. Whatever happens, even if I end up marrying RADM. Harcassle, Third Fleet will stand as is. No going back, too much work is in place. So we need to resume operations and slowly get back into the USNSL fold as a full fledged member, and by that I mean a member with its chain of command fully recognized by all USNSL groups. We will give it our best shot for the time you all see fit.
CDR.Christina Dehner:
Well, in the real life US Navy all fleets have their own planes, don't they? They are not exclusive to one fleet. Let Eberdene do her thing in 2nd Fleet and we'll have a carrier and planes and SAR and whatever in 3rd Fleet.
CAPT. Asra Kron:
Just like 7th Fleet does, CDR. Dehner
CDR.Christina Dehner:
Exactly.
CAPT. Asra Kron:
That's exactly so, BUT we worked damn hard to have a basic common core, and I mean BASIC as in OCS and RTC, that affects us all. It would be a shame to lose that.
CDR.Christina Dehner:
Yeah, NSTC should not be tied to any fleet to be honest.
CAPT. Asra Kron:
7th Fleet and 3rd Fleet have a joint flight program, we have worked a lot to make that happen. RADM. Harcassle says I am on record stating that 7th Fleet handed out Gold Wings too easy. HELL YEAH! And because I hounded CAPT Pobieski - and if you know her well you know I did so at my own peril - We CHANGED THAT.
CDR. Connie Mistwalker:
hehe.
CAPT. Asra Kron:
Now the Wings of Gold MEAN something, not just to 7th Fleet pilots but to ALL pilots!
CAPT. Vickster Kühn:
Hooyah!
CDR. Connie Mistwalker:
May I interrupt, Captain Kron?
CAPT. Asra Kron:
But if 2nd Fleet chooses their own program - just a second, Commander...
CDR. Connie Mistwalker:
Nods.
CAPT. Asra Kron:
If 2nd Fleet wants their own program with their own standards although I feel it's a mistake it is THEIR call. Their choice. And that is perfectly fine.
LCDR. An Rainbow:
Part of the reason that the Wings of Gold should not be handed out so easily is that you miss all the experience gained from other pilots. And there is the fun and adventure in gaining them ... they mean something.
CAPT. Asra Kron:
Bottom line is this: Third Fleet will stand and will keep on working with 7th Fleet and the SLMC as long as they want to do so - we will do it with or without USNSL - I am not going to wait for RADM. Harcassle's blessing to have relations with them. We will try our best to stay in USNSL and we will send our recruits and candidates to NSTC. We will have liasons to 2nd Fleet. We will do all that to accomodate my present situation, and for that I apologize, but you said I shouldn't go anywhere and hell I am not. I am staying. We will have NEW Third Fleet groups - One operational where the commissioned officers have rank tags, one for enlisted personnel and one for training purposes. The current Third Fleet group is a transition group. It will remain possibly as the OOC group.
But there is a question we need to answer today. Against all urban legends I never wanted to command a Fleet! I am perfectly fine commanding Miramar. I also never wanted to control who gets to be a senior officer! To suggest that a group of 7 people in charge of that decison by a [simple*] majority is doing my bidding is an insult to those people's inteligence and will.
What I propose as a model for Third Fleet command is a High Command where ALL senior officers will have a say and where the ones chosen in a number of Three will take the helm, so there will always be a discussion between [at least those*] three people before making huge moves. Just as in real life.
In real life, the Navy has a HIGH COMMAND. It's not a monarchy. There is no King of the Navy in real life [ see "Office of the Chief of Naval Operations (OpNav)" here.* ], so there will be no Navy Queen or King in Third Fleet. RADM Harcassle left me in charge but I don't want it. If you want me in the High Command yes I accept that. I propose CAPT. Vickster Kuhn and LCDR. An Rainbow for that, and myself of course. Under those conditions and with their help and council we can succeed and you can be assured that no one is making decisions by fiat [but in*] a shared command.
Do you agree with this solution?
CVN-65 Lead Designer Koma Held:
Yes.
LCDR. Jenny Kaz:
Agreed.
CAPT. Vickster Kühn:
Aye.
CDR.Christina Dehner:
I agree.
LCDR. An Rainbow:
Aye.
CAPT. Asra Kron:
If you wish to advance other names, please do so.
LT. Chardy Oak:
(( please excuse me I got to call it... Eyes are stinging, I'm spent, been up since 4 am. Thank you, Boss. Thank you, Captain Kron. Fly in couple hours, yeah? ))
CAPT. Asra Kron:
(( Take care, Chardy. ))
CAPT. Vickster Kühn:
(( Yes. ))
LCDR. Jenny Kaz:
(( Bye Chardy. ))
CAPT. Asra Kron:
Very well. I am sending everyone the new Third Fleet [operational*] group now.
CAPT. Vickster Kühn:
New group?
CAPT. Asra Kron:
Yes. USN Third Fleet Ops.
CAPT. Vickster Kühn:
Okay.
CAPT. Asra Kron:
Nothing changes but for obvious reasons I am not leaving the old group as operational. I will send invites as OWNERS to Vicks and An [CAPT. Vickster Kuhn and LCDR. An Rainbow*].
CDR.Christina Dehner:
(( I really have to run but good to see you all here today. Good bye all and good luck in whatever you decide to do. ))
LCDR. Jenny Kaz:
(( Nice to see you as well :) ))
LCDR. An Rainbow:
(( Thanks commander good to see you and have you here too. ))
CAPT. Asra Kron:
(( Thank you, Chrissy. You did the most you could. Thank you so much. ))
CAPT. Vickster Kühn:
(( See you, Commander. ))
LCDR. Jenny Kaz:
(( Bye, Commander :) ))
CAPT. Asra Kron:
I have made CAPT. Kuhn and LCDR. Rainbow owners of Third Fleet Ops group. Please say you have that role.
LCDR. An Rainbow:
I do have that role.
CAPT. Vickster Kühn:
Yes, I have that role.
CAPT. Asra Kron:
Good.
CDR. Connie Mistwalker:
May I speak now?
CAPT. Asra Kron:
Yes, CDR. Mistwalker, you have the floor.
CDR. Connie Mistwalker:
You just spoke to the point I've been making all along. NO one master or ruler - that the votes of the many command the votes of all - by this I mean to suggest: the unified group of USNSL is that unifier - there may be many factions with many "heads of state" - 2nd Fleet, 3rd Fleet. 7th Fleet, etc. - that they are committed to a total unified group is what I see as the key to all of this. None of these groups can survive on their own. Yeah, they can, yes, of course, but is it really viable? No.
CAPT. Asra Kron:
Nods.
CDR. Connie Mistwalker:
So how do we achieve this? I wish I knew. If I did, we'd not be in this meeting right now.
LCDR. An Rainbow:
Agreed.
CAPT. Asra Kron:
I will give the floor to CAPT. Kuhn so she can state how she sees us going forward in the near future and we can close these proceedings for now. CAPT. Kuhn has the floor.
CAPT. Vickster Kühn:
Well, for the short term, I have already chatted with RADM. Harcassle about this issue and come up with some agreements, we already talked about having people go to NSTC. The Blue Angels are also going to continue the tradition of flying for OCS graduations, so that's one small step. Another step is that the Blue Angels will continue to represent USNSL, although housed in 3rd fleet, that is an all navy unit. We all agree on this.
CAPT. Asra Kron:
Yes.
LCDR. Jenny Kaz:
Yes.
CAPT. Asra Kron:
Although one of the USNSL representatives is not a USNSL member. Baby steps.
Grins.
CAPT. Vickster Kühn:
Well, I intend to see that changed in time. For now i'm able to negotiate with RADM. Harcassle so we will work on fixing that burned bridge. It is important we continue to offer education to all fleets, this may be problematic at best on the outset but that should be a goal, the best way to stay unified is to be useful navy wide. So that will be what I will focus on.
CAPT. Asra Kron:
That is understood.
CAPT. Vickster Kühn:
And recruiting. Recruiting should be our number one priority, since we have a lot of work to do and few people to do it.
Blue Angels Prospect Jayson Zorric:
Raises hand.
CAPT. Vickster Kühn:
Yes, Jayson?
Blue Angels Prospect Jayson Zorric:
When you saying recruiting, is that for 3rd fleet or USNSL?
CAPT. Asra Kron:
Smiles.
CAPT. Vickster Kühn:
Well, it's for both, you could say, but yeah we'd be looking to recruit people who have the intention of joining 3rd fleet, yes.
LCDR. An Rainbow:
Hopefully for Third Fleet, we are looking for people who want a Navy.
CAPT. Asra Kron:
Each Fleet usually sends their prospects in. Hopefulluy they will return to those fleets after RTC or OCS. Like we are sending you and Koma.
CAPT. Vickster Kühn:
Once they go to OCS and get exposed to more things, there is the chance they choose another fleet, well that's a benefit to the USNSL.
CAPT. Asra Kron:
Nods.
Blue Angels Prospect Jayson Zorric:
So its not guaranteed that after Bootcamp/OCS they will return to the fleet that recruited them.
CAPT. Vickster Kühn:
Right. It's not guaranteed.
CAPT. Asra Kron:
Let me ask you a question Jayson. Where do you wish to deploy after OCS?
Blue Angels Prospect Jayson Zorric:
So for example, I may go to OCS and I can still choose not to be part of 3rd fleet.
CAPT. Asra Kron:
That is your choice, but when we send people in we do it for a reason. Like you, Blue Angels - Third Fleet. Or Koma, USS Enterprise - Third Fleet. There is an initial expectation of course.
Blue Angels Prospect Jayson Zorric:
Okay, well, I can tell you I have all intentions to join 3rd Fleet.
CAPT. Asra Kron:
Exactly.
Blue Angels Prospect Jayson Zorric:
I am just asking.
CAPT. Asra Kron:
Nods.
It's the candidate's choice after graduation. Well, actually the day before graduation everyone declares their choice of deployment.
CAPT. Vickster Kühn:
Right.
Blue Angels Prospect Jayson Zorric:
Nods.
CVN-65 Lead Designer Koma Held:
Maybe can snag a few people with the carrier duty. lol.
LCDR. An Rainbow:
We are hoping so. You need a crew.
CAPT. Asra Kron:
Well, that is another matter that Koma will address in due time. But as it is obvious she cannot be the Big E skipper out of OCS. We will address that soon.
LCDR. An Rainbow:
Nods.
CVN-65 Lead Designer Koma Held:
lmao!
CAPT. Vickster Kühn:
Can't wait to see it.
CAPT. Asra Kron:
Anything else, Boss? [CAPT. Kuhn is Blue Angel One, whom the squadron pilots call "Boss"*]
CAPT. Vickster Kühn:
That's it for me.
CAPT. Asra Kron:
Thank you Captain. Are there any questions?
Waits.
LCDR. An Rainbow:
None from me, I can see a number of things we need to work out, but that is for another meeting.
CVN-65 Lead Designer Koma Held:
Nothing from me i got my welding clothes on. lol!
LCDR. Jenny Kaz:
None from me either.
CAPT. Vickster Kühn:
We have a lot of work ahead of us.
LCDR. An Rainbow:
We always have, we have never stood still.
CAPT. Asra Kron:
Very well, I shall provide each of you with a transcript of this meeting edited for publication. Thank you all for coming. This meeting is concluded. Go Navy! Hooyah!
LCDR. An Rainbow:
YAY!
CAPT. Vickster Kühn:
Hooyah!
LCDR. Jenny Kaz:
HOOYAH!
CDR. Connie Mistwalker:
Hooyah!
CVN-65 Lead Designer Koma Held:
Hooyah!
[2017/06/10 17:11]
CAPT. Asra Kron:
Thank you all. Good meeting.
[*] - Editor's notes where applicable.
Note:
LT. Chardy Oak's permission to have her participation in this meeting as public record:
[2017/06/11 14:41] Asra Kron (x4ten):
Do you agree that the all hands meeting was open and public and what was said is open record?
[2017/06/11 14:41] Chardy A2 (chardonnayoak):
Yes, I agree.
[2017/06/11 14:42] Asra Kron (x4ten):
Thank you.
CAPT. Asra "Cougar" Kron
NASMCO
Third Fleet Command (TFCOM)
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